The power of all unwanted politicians “hang the hook” and starts criminal proceedings, says ex-MP
On 16 June the Parliament made a submission on the removal of immunity and the arrest of people’s Deputy Oleksandr Onishchenko, 47 years old. The anti-corruption Bureau accused him of organizing a criminal group, selling natural gas at a lower price. The damages to the state estimated at 3 billion. July 5, the Verkhovna Rada deputies voted for the removal of immunity and the arrest of Onishchenko. Before that, the MP went from Ukraine. On 27 July the Prosecutor General Yuri Lutsenko signed an agreement to declare his suspicion.
In an interview Gazeta.ua Onishchenko says that he lives in London. Chat in Facebook on 4 October. Alexander R. – on the back seat of the car.
– Want to see London? – opens the car door. Opposite the entrance to the five-star hotel Brown’s Hotel. Speaking in Russian.
Ukrainians home spread leaflets, where high gas prices explain the “corruption schemes Onishchenko in gas production”.
– How can I be guilty of the charges? All this business – the political order of the presidential Administration. Looking for how to explain to the people the increase in tariffs, and found a scapegoat – Onishchenko.
My company sold gas for commercial purposes. Population produced only sell directly to Ukrgazvidobuvannya. So talk about that for me have increased rates, is absurd.
Why the police took you?
– I made a small change in certain agreements between the parliamentary groups and the President’s Administration. The idea was this: to hold Onishchenko, to arrest and to negotiate something for themselves. Almost all deputies who are wicked, open criminal cases, and so hung on the hook. Then take what I want.
Who benefited from your departure from Ukraine?
– They do not think that I will leave. I gently let down to what should remain, must be present to vote for the removal of immunity. And wanted to hold a demonstration. Put in jail and negotiate dividends for themselves.
If desired, Petro Poroshenko and Yuriy Lutsenko you could hold. However, allowed to leave.
At that time there were no grounds to detain me. I had parliamentary immunity.
Your detention was supposed to be revealing?
– 100 percent. The President has ensured that I will not be arrested. What do you think?
You have long been in the gas business and violations of your company. They have won government tenders. Why violations found now?
– At that time I was the best of the presidential Administration. So we won tenders and there were no violations. When it became unprofitable for the month came up with a criminal case. Began to harass and blackmail.
Your family is threatened?
– Nobody left in Ukraine. I all taken. Mother is 72 years old. In the wars between the politicians always had a rule not to touch the family. And these people departed from all rules and principles.
How secure you be in London?
– Everyone knows about this conflict. Local law enforcement too. The customer may be only one – Poroshenko.
That your arrested gas companies?
– They were taken from. Although the amount of investment and cost companies much more than the present debts. Moreover, who among us believes taxes? NABOO? But any economic offence in the first place should check out IRS. And now NABU invented debt, opened the case, came and began to arrest. The company was taken away, people fired or arrested. NABU has received political order and working. I said – willing to communicate, tell all, come. Explain, if you don’t understand. But why should they really, if you already have someone to blame and to punish.
Why you do not want to question in London?
– I’m afraid. I will tell you is that you have someone to arrest of the presidential Administration.
The anti-corruption Bureau should be an independent body, however, was not so. Why?
– At least one person from “Blok Petro Poroshenko” detained? From close to the President? Pursue him unfavorable. Let’s see, where did Artem Sytnik. Do you believe that there came a boy of 36 years and won the competition for the position of Director of NAB?
Search the Internet for video who walks at night to the presidential Administration. And you will see – the night I go and at the same time comes Holodnitsky. And what are you doing the night the President Onishchenko and Holodnitsky? Previously, they had the same problems, but then the situation changed and Golodnitsky was given another assignment.
Now there is a redistribution of the market of gas production?
Yes. There is an attack on all gas producers. Arrested the company Akhmetov, Zlochevsky. Took all enterprises with a joint venture. For gas producers, create problems, to put them. And then come the new owners and all will be well.
What will be the result?
For two years, gas production fell by 20 percent. Investment – no. No one is drilling new wells. The industry stopped. To invest in this state’s attitude to private miners, no one will. Especially foreign investors.
The President’s team wants to buy everything myself, to privatize. At the same time put the left company under American or European. Want for nothing take all you can. And then, after transfers, will be normal working conditions. Common practice. Similarly, it was the predecessor Poroshenko.
But the country has just walked away from it. Go back?
– Slowly Poroshenko of usurping power: your Prime Minister, your attorney General, your head of the SBU. Who has replaced the Minister of internal Affairs.
What other markets besides gas and redistribute?
– There is a struggle for regional power that has not yet managed to capture. For the Odessa port plant. It will buy a foreign company. But it is clear whose. Now the task is to hang on to it debts, lower in price. And so will all public enterprises.
You said you were in negotiations regarding the purchase Poroshenko’s TV channel “112 Ukraine”. Published the correspondence with a close to the President of the people’s Deputy Serhiy Berezenko. Why was this active wave of denial?
– And you offer to pass the lie detector to them and me.
I do not agree.
– And you ask. I’m ready to go.
Why come out of those negotiations?
– When there are two sides – and buy or sell a business I can participate. And then begins raiding: if you do not give at this price, it will be criminal cases and arrests. It is not for me.
I worked at various government, because it is not involved in any such nonsense. And who’s gonna do that, then looking for ways to escape. Four years Rob and run away.
However, You also had to flee.
– I have a conflict with the government. But for 24 years there was not a single incident regarding the fact that I have someone reidell, cheated, taken. And they’re doing it. Examples of thousands. Businessmen, close to certain political forces that are not with the President, select all. It was not possible to Finance any project against the government.
The closer the election, the tougher methods. When the knock will put Avakov and his Minister of internal Affairs will receive all four level – NABOO, GPU, SBU and the MVD. This is called 100% power.
You remembered that you had to solve the issues in the presidential Administration. What were the questions?
– I’ll tell you later. In the near future will hold a press conference.
Who else in Ukraine you have a conflict, except for the Bank?
– With anyone.
What’s the biggest problem with Poroshenko?
– He became President, but remains a businessman. He needs to think about how to do something good for the country. And his mind is how to stay for a second term.
But around him there are different people. Including smart, experienced that nonsense advise.
– When Poroshenko say something correct, but he doesn’t like it, he removes these people.
He is able to reverse the situation?
– It is necessary to create the most favorable conditions for business. And people mountains. Yanukovych took away 50 percent – and it worked. If Poroshenko said, “50 percent of the benefit of the country, I have to do.” Everyone would be doing it. But now his position: “no one should be business, besides me.” Soon everything will stop. People will take a break for two years before a presidential election.
Now Poroshenko say: you’re the best. But as soon as we are approaching election time, everyone will abandon him. Will run away and betray. Then you will understand the world in which he lived and what came.
When they voted for the removal of you with integrity, accountability and seizure, the Parliament found the necessary number of votes. Who provided them?
– How are important vote? The President gathers the leaders of the factions and said, for this, and for this it is necessary to vote. Looks if there’s the right amount. If it’s not enough appeal to the pocket parties and groups.
That is, to vote for you – it’s personal instructions Poroshenko?
– Of course.
What do you think and when will your business?
I do not know. If you go to court, it will fall apart. Why they are so nervous. Mentally shaking on people that went to cooperate with the investigation and testified against me. Readings no one gives. Therefore, in NABOO’s nothing there.
You have a lot of information about Poroshenko and his entourage. However, the case against you filed. Why? It was also clear that because of this will lose reputation.
They had the purpose to arrest me, close and negotiate. But failed. Poroshenko, personally assured me that nothing will happen. I asked him what was going on. And he said, “I’m Sorry, I didn’t. NABOO is out of control, as they do. But don’t worry, we will give you the right to defend themselves in court. Going to prove his innocence.” While they themselves quietly wanted to arrest me. And negotiate what they need.
However, other people warned: “they gave Us a hard team to vote for your arrest”. Two nights before the vote, I left Ukraine.