Mikhail Shmakov — RBC “the Untold riches of trade unions is stories”

“The same amount to collect the government members during a meeting”

— Recently the trade unions at all surprised: the Federation of trade unions of Tatarstan bought the sanatorium “foros” in the Crimea. How did public organizations suddenly discovered 1.4 billion?

— At the household level is where the purchase of some things is not enough, people two, three fold. It is about the same. Yes, the Federation of trade unions of Tatarstan is the operator in the purse, which was attended by enterprises of the Republic, who decided to seize the moment and buy “foros”, by the way, at a low enough price. I think this is a brilliant operation, when over $ 15 million sold over 600 objects — the earth, the sea. I think it’s a very good buy. In addition, the Tatarstan Federation has a large experience of management of sanatorium associations in the Republic, there are 5 or 6 resorts.

— Why the trade Union organization acted as operator? There were some conversations, through whom to conduct the transaction or not?

— We are not involved in this deal.

— Were you put into the swing of things or you yourself, like everyone, found out about it from the news?

— Read, learned and praised. Well done.

— What kind of businesses have chipped in?

— I have no precise information. But there is a public transaction.

— While they don’t really want to tell.

— So consider it a trade secret. No, well, we know the Tatarstan Republic. Tatarstan’s KAMAZ, Tatneft, a large aircraft manufacturing complex, chemical production, despite the crisis, this is quite a successful enterprise, with profit even now. And then: $ 15 million in our time is ugh. This amount can be collected from the members of the government during the meeting.

“Ignore everything except tax reporting”

— What primarily lives FNPR? What proportion of revenues are membership fees and how they are presented?

— There are sectoral trade unions, they have their own regional units depending on the location of the enterprises involved in this sector of the economy. The aircraft industry, for example, not all regions are represented. Has a system the trade unions that unite workers of education, health, culture, housing. The trade unions have a primary organization on the ground, the so-called primary — in the organizations and enterprises, which collect membership fees. The contribution has remained from the Soviet era: 1% of salary. Sectoral trade Union sets the framework of your structure rules: how many leave primary contributions to the organization, how contributions to transfer to the structure of the Union, how to send in FNPR. The result is that industry organizations list the 2% from the tree trade Union dues in FNPR. But we decided to change the distribution system in the last Congress, because we need money for the regional Federation of trade unions, which are the representatives of the FNPR on the ground. The money will be, as in the 1920-ies, to be transmitted to the inter-Union and intra-Union work on the job. The decision of the Congress is that 8% of the collected contributions will be spent on inter-Union work, the FNPR and the regional federations. And 92% of premiums on intra-work per Union.

— Why it is done and what will it change?

— Fundamentally nothing has changed. Just all the time there was fermentation, was the difference in the contributions that go into various regional federations and associations: in any Federation is 5%, some 1.5 per cent.

— How many members of trade unions are officially included in the FNPR?

— FITUR in order to 20.6 – 20.7 million members, but the number constantly changes, someone leaves, someone enters. But it should be understood that the order of 3-4 million trade Union members are students and pensioners. People who do not pay contributions, and if they pay something symbolic.

— What documents has the right to request the state at FITUR, and what — not?

— Ignore everything except tax reporting. We are obliged as any organization to provide annual information on the implementation of its estimate.

— Tax incentives for trade unions?

— From public associations left them only for the Church.

— The Federal tax service told us that theoretically, unions may qualify for tax credits.

— May qualify, but it is never taken.

— How much tax paid FITUR 2015?

— Tens of millions of rubles. Land, a share in the estate, all are considered to be property, and, as expected, taxes are calculated on the cadastral value. For example, the cadastral value of land, on which stands the Palace of labor unions on Leninsky Prospekt, 42, is constantly changing and now it jumped four times, and therefore tax, respectively, four times higher. It turns out that about 12 million rubles of additional contributions plus those 7 million that we have to pay initially.

Today it is the most terrible thing is the cadastral value of land, because appointed by the cadastral value, which local authorities calculate the taxes to replenish its budget, as a rule, higher than the market. And this is a problem of the state! Of the problems that hinders the improvement of the investment climate, as they like to tell the leaders. But the leaders do not face this problem personally, with her face ordinary businesses — large, small. Or industrial enterprises, which have large areas. Large and small business all it takes on the value of their production and their products, so inflation will never be a four or six percent. The system is built so that it constantly generates inflation.

— What are the financial relations FNPR and the state? As far as I know, the organization, which are included in FNPR, will receive presidential grants, in recent years more than 80 million rubles.

— Receives, as a rule, not FITUR. But if it is, then the money is going, for example, on youth forum, to conduct various meetings, during which trade Union activists undergo training.

— There are also direct subsidies from the state through the Ministry of labor. Over the past few years the structures of the FNPR received about 1,3 billion roubles.

— I want to emphasize that FNPR will receive a state subsidy for the first time this year is 75 million And it became possible only thanks to persistence of our deputies in the state Duma.

— Andrei Isayev (Vice-speakers of the state Duma, Deputy Secretary General Council of “United Russia” and the Secretary of the FNPR? )

— Not only. Isaev, Tarasenko, Kabanov, Trapeznikov (“United Russia” — RBC). It was revealed that for many years from the budget was funded by other trade Union Association SOTSPROF, KTR (Confederation of labour of Russia — RBC), there was a scandal. We could not understand why among the grant recipients was not the largest trade Union organization. We do not refuse money where they can legally obtain.

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2012 educational structures of the FNPR — the Academy of labour and social relations in Moscow and St.-Petersburg humanitarian University of trade unions — receive direct subsidies from the budget.

— That’s another story. A decision on assistance to these structures shall be taken separately, just issued here in this way in the form of subsidies. And the University in St. Petersburg, and the Academy of labour in Moscow, we additionally help to keep them afloat. It’s private educational institutions that need funding.

The funding goes to projects that are approved by the President. In St.-Petersburg University of Humanities by the decision of the then still Prime Minister, and now President opened the faculty of conflict studies. Of course, its funding requires a certain amount of money. For one academic year requires on the order of 500 million roubles. Half, therefore, we take the state, and the second half scrape on susekam the University itself. But all this is not, strictly speaking, the financing of the FNPR.

As for the subsidies of the Moscow Federation of trade unions, it receives money for carrying out the Kremlin Christmas tree! She received the money in different forms, in different ways, but always, all 25 years of the new Russia. Only the last 10 years tree is carried out jointly with the Moscow government. There are, of course, money received from the sale of tickets, but fees are not enough.

— How much is the tree? We called about $ 10-15 million

Is close amount. Judge for yourself: it takes place in the Kremlin Palace, everything is at market rates — as is the performance of Dmitri Hvorostovsky, the special conditions for no one.

— As I understand it, by itself, the Moscow Federation of trade unions still receives subsidies from the Moscow government.

But it is not only Moscow Federation. In many regions of the Federation shall have, within its regional tripartite agreements programs that are sponsored by local authorities.

— It is the policy of this party is to build good relations with the authorities? How do you do it?

— We give our federations guidelines how to seek funding for its programs, which benefit the development of the region. This does not mean that Moscow Federation of trade unions spending money only on themselves. She spends at a specific target, for study, for creating a specific environment in the field of labour protection, in the sphere of social guarantees for the opening of ice rinks, schools. This goes for non-profit purpose and not on the activity of the Union structures.

“I’d like to see these untold riches were returned”

— Let’s talk about your property. 10 what are the main objects of the FNPR, which generate revenue and which FNPR proud of.

Is the sanatorium of the Caucasian mineral waters. These are objects that work. Built in Sochi for the Olympics, great hotel, the three resort put in order, they bring income, but only that the unions have nothing, because they are all leveraged. 20 years we will pay on the loan.

— Credit where took?

— VEB. But this is a state program, had to be done — done. Loans under this we certainly got, but this business is not profitable, it’s not the oil pump and not a gold mine.

— What was the loan?

— About half a billion rubles. (“Resort management” FITUR RBC stated that the loan was of the order of 2 billion rubles)

Is one hotel?

— All three sites — on-Sea Galaxy, the metallurg sanatorium, the “same” (company that manages part of the trade Union facilities in Sochi — RBC). “Adlerkurort hotel” even had a pledge to give. All that the market scheme. Just so no one will. It was necessary to mortgage the property, which the VEB considers to be liquid.

“If you do not want to call other objects, let’s I’ll list them: the Palace of labor unions, for example, where we now sit.

— Lenin, 42 losses brings, but also profit from it a little. We try to balance — due to the fact that a portion of the space rent, but now this is difficult. Once stood, now there is. It’s just a self-supporting object.

— There’s a hotel nearby, also on Lenin.

— It is currently under reconstruction, due to the fact that it had to re-register, and the taxes from it are calculated on the cadastral value, it has become unprofitable. That is, it is profitable, but all profits go to pay taxes. Thirteen million fifteen taxes it must pay.

— There is another hotel complex “Izmailovo”. What percentage is there for FITUR?

Seven percent. Managing the package from the Moscow Federation of trade unions.

— Are you satisfied with the work of Directors “Izmailovo”?

— Pleased. Our man is on the Board of Directors. Directors renewed the contract, then they work fine.

— But still this is a Union property, you are taking part in the management of “Izmailovo”?

— A trade Union Federation, in this case Moscow, pursuing its policy, they may have their own view of things. And this view of things is not always consistent with our view of things. For example, the House of the unions on the Big Dmitrovka. We believe that from the beginning there was a diagram, which involves the displacement of the FNPR.

When talking about trade Union property, it is important to understand: after the collapse of the USSR, it was decided to distribute the property of Union between the regions and the centre. 85% of the property that we received from the vtssps (all-Union Central Council of trade unions — RBC) were transferred to the regional prevoshoditel, 15% is left for the FNPR. It was, from my point of view, the wrong decision, but for 25 years, somehow lived… So we only affect the conditional 15% who were transferred to us. 15% includes shares which remained for FNPR in a number of objects, plus Leninsky prospect, 42, carpool, Academy of labor and social relations, Saint Petersburg University of Humanities, etc. All these stories about the great riches of trade unions — only stories. I’d like to see these untold riches were returned, but this is unrealistic.

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— You can call budget FNPR?

— About 200 million rubles (in year)

— According to the decision of the General Council of FNPR on the structure of income, 30% income — this is the so-called other income. What do you mean?

Is renting space, the dividends of our packages in joint-stock companies and health institutions from different regions.

— What are the Spa areas apart from Mineralnye Vody and Sochi the most cost-effective? The Suburbs, Kareliya?

They are all low-margin because, as a rule, they work mainly with the beneficiaries. Price discounted tickets at or below cost. Need to finish populjarnye to provide these vouchers and all to switch on a commercial basis. But in such matters there are always two factors: public and commercial. When you take the decision to raise the price of the tour, howl begins to rise, including in the governments of the respective regions. But they are not the owners! For them, the more subsidized vouchers, the better. But the sanatorium require fixed costs, clean up, in order to be able to sell commercial tour. In General, these contradictions all survive, and do not develop.

“Aggressive interest on the part of the President’s administration”

— Dmitry Medvedev when he was President urged the unions to have the courage to return to sports facilities sports federations. It happened?

— My experience with Medvedev shows that he has a tendency to give under the influence of persons who he something tell. At that moment, apparently, he said something, and he gave some orders. Since then I do on this working group did not hear.

According to our data, all happened due to the fact that a respected entrepreneur, with a beautiful semi-criminal past, became interested in our base Planernaya in Khimki (in the Olympic center includes a ski resort with slopes of different length and Konno-a sports complex with a racetrack — RBC). He was denied, and immediately thereafter began the campaign: bought journalists, bloggers. And after that, Medvedev began to speak that it is necessary to give everything to the sport federations. But sport is never owned! It was built by the trade unions.

— Medvedev to the FNPR in the administration of the President were not treated very well. Several sources claimed that the first Deputy head of the Kremlin administration Vladislav Surkov wanted to establish control over the FNPR. Was?

— The interest was always, from time to time, he develops into aggressive interest on the part of the President’s administration, probably, this was due to the personality of the President, I admit it. But we got used to it.

— What the Federation wanted to see in the administration?

— They wanted to send her person. Messengers some were sent. Those a little work, I realized that it’s not as easy as they thought, behind. Now we have a reasonable interaction. But all the trade unions that protest the organization because it seeks truth and justice, higher wages. Improve today, however, does not occur, and the lowering, therefore, protest attitude will only grow.

But the organization has not decided on a tough confrontation with the government about the infringement of the rights of workers. There is a problem with the organization of strikes, there is a problem with the leaders in the field: they are often too close to the regional authorities.

— FITUR of both large enterprises there are issues. But, like everyone else — have SOTSPROF, CTE. A trade Union is an organization which is created by people and workers and protects their interests, Union democracy is that each year claim the chair. If employees are disappointed in the President, they have the right to re-elect him. If the President is not reelected, then they are happy with them. FITUR performs its functions: and the role of feedback, and role, namely, to hold the production managers in the legal field.

— But wages are still declining, despite the declared aim of the trade unions it to increase.

— I’ll give you a simple example: let the problem happen, let’s say your newspaper. You, workers, for example, a thousand people. The owner, who needs to save money, there are two choices: either to reduce by 10% of salary, or 10% to reduce staff. The user speaks to the labor collective: how do you decide — so what we’ll do. So we always understand that there is a balance between wages and jobs. Of course, ideally our requirement that all jobs were preserved, and wages did not fall. But it is a utopia. So every time we talk about our actions in the current situation: here the current situation most effectively will at least keep salaries at current levels and existing social guarantees. It must be fought for every enterprise.

Mikhail Shmakov — Chairman of the Federation of independent trade unions of Russia (FNPR), which unites, according to official data, 20.7 million people. The Chairman of the FNPR Mikhail Shmakov, a graduate of the Moscow higher technical school named after N. Uh. Bauman on a speciality the engineer-mechanic, was elected in 1993. In 1996, 2001, 2006, 2011 and 2015 was re-elected to this position.